More Commentary regarding the Kosek Traditional Band of the Koasek Abenaki Nation, led by Paul Bunnell and Nathan Pero

While Paul Joseph Bunnell may now mockingly and snidely call me a "little man" and that allegedly I am like the Eugenic's Survey of Vermont from the 1920's and 1930's ... towards these wannabiak groups....

The simple FACTUAL REALITY remains, that there is less and less convincing evidence of their group's being from the historical Koasek community of 1704, much less in 1800 or even 1890 ...

No really honest, legitimate Scholar with any real merit would touch these groups applications, because those legitimate scholars can smell bullsh** from any decent distance from Vermont, that has not had or continues to have a direct or indirect "working relationship" with these wannabiak groups.

This is why the VCNAA cannot solicit ANY other "Scholars" other than Eloise Biel and maybe someone else, to review Nathan Elwin Pero and Paul Joseph Bunnell's application petition for State Recognition of their wannabiak "tribe".

[Clarification: Eloise Beil, as of July 03, 2014 (according to the VCNAA) had resigned from "reviewing" the Paul Bunnell and Nathan Pero application/ this 5th Group of Wannabiak]

Eloise Beil: “… In the aftermath of a wonderful and successful Abenaki Heritage Weekend, it is difficult but necessary for me to write with apologies that I am unable to serve on the scholar panel to review for petition for tribal recognition at this time. Unfortunately, my work schedule is still seven days a week for the next several months and I know that I would not be able to give the application review the attention it needs nor would I be confident that I could attend the hearing to testify. With apologies and best wishes…”

Then Lisa Newman, on November 16, 2013 states, that she wants confidentiality to her conclusions and determinations and comments. Why? 

“…I regret to inform you that I must respectfully resign my volunteer role in the scholar panel that reviews applications for tribal recognition in Vermont and advise the commission on the decisions. It was my understanding that when I accepted the commission’s invitation to help with tribal recognition cases that I would have sufficient time to prepare a report on the commission. That my expertise in anthropology likely to be complimented on the scholar’s panel by a professional genealogist and/or a professional historian and that my specific comments by members of scholar’s panel would be kept confidential and publicly reported only in likely aggregate form. I was unaware until this past week that my understandings were incorrect. Without adequate time balance scholarly expertise and reasonable measures to protect confidentiality, the integrity to process suffers and maybe called into question by others. I understand it is of course to report information is a difficult job that you must do as a commission do to the process of Native American tribes, both recognize and unrecognized. Vermont is a concern that we all share. It is the reason that I want to step aside…”

Ok, so VCNAA Member Andrew Beaupre states that Lisa Newman had 3 issues or concerns:

1. There was a lack of sufficient time to prepare a report.
2. Her expertise in anthropology would not be complimented on the scholar's panel BY A PROFESSIONAL UNBIASED GENEALOGIST and/or PROFESSIONAL HISTORIAN.
3. Her specific comments by members of the scholar's panel would not be kept confidential and publicly reported only in aggregate form.

I think the HUGE ISSUE here is that there has been NO SCHOLAR(s) or GENEALOGIST(s) that has not been unbiased nor a conflict of interest thus far, retrospectively for the four now-state of VT Recognized groups. There has been NO TRANSPARENCY as to these group's members genealogical connection(s) to the Abenakis .... etc. 

This isn't about GENERIC WAUBANAKIS .... 

It IS about GENERIC WANNABIAK!

Well, obviously anyone can now 'see' why. These newly minted self identified "Abenakis" are NOT ABENAKIS, but 8 to 12 Generational DESCENDANTS of Alonquine, Huron, and or a DISTANT/REMOTE Mi'kmaq Indian ancestry. Again, NOT Abenakis from and of Vermont!

The "State" of Vermont and these groups have managed to re-invent the DEFINITION of Abenaki, and who is Abenaki, etc., to INCLUDE THEMSELVES.

And again, so what if these groups, 1, 2, 3, 4, or this 5th group were to have submitted their 400 pages or 5,000 pages of genealogy on the table for review? The REALITY is that NO ONE is even validating and/or authenticating the genealogical connections of these group's members TO THE ABENAKIS historically speaking, ancestrally or to ABENAKI COMMUNITY.

Lorelei A. Lambert (Colomeda) a.k.a. "Otter", born on March 03, 1942 in MA, to Joseph and Marie (nee: Arsenault) was a member of the Paul Wilson Pouliot's Group calling itself "COWASUCK BAND - PENNACOOK - ABENAKI PEOPLE COWASS North America, Inc." from at least August 01, 2000 which was then re-approved Sept. 01, 2005 Membership card #1355C.

1. Chief Jean Baptiste PECHABANOUKOUE OUTCHIOUANICK Nanabasa
2. Madeleine Montagnaise Tegochix (Tegoussi) & Nicholas Pelletier
3. Marie Josephete Pelletier(Mali Josephe Mis8  Pelletier) & Chief Thomas Kaorate
4. Cecile Kaorate Pelletier & Jean Gagnon
5. Antoine Gagnon & Genevieve Boucher
6. Marie Anne Gagnon & Clement Roy Dit Lauzier
7. Etienne Roy & Anastasie Desrocher
8. Clement Roy dit Lausier & Demerise Gagnon
9. Leda Roy & Calixte Arsenault
10. George Dewey Arsenault & Ann Catherine McKenna
11. Marie A. Arsenault & Joseph Henri Lambert
12. Lorelei Lambert

[Of course, Lori Lambert has other Native Ancestral Connections in her ancestry]

But NOW she [Lori Lambert, PhD, DS] is a member of the VT State Recognized group calling itself the "Nulhegan Band of the Coosuck Abenaki Tribe" today. Again, "Tribe" Jumping-and-Hopping by an self-identified "Wabanaki" ....

As for Paul Rene Tamburro, he was also a member of Howard Franklin Knight, Jr's group as of July 14, 1992 ... that evolved into Paul Wilson Pouliot's Group in early 1993; and his Membership Application is dated July 14, 1992 Membership Card No. 671X; his membership was re-approved August 01, 1997, [Paul Wilson Pouliot "went after Paul Tamburro for having multiple Membership Cards in LEHA and the Spin-Off Group, the "Mazipskwik Traditional Band of the Abenaki Nation", led by Connie Brow and David Gilman] and Paul Rene Tamburro was removed from the Membership of Paul Wilson Pouliot's Group in April of 2002. 

How many Wannabiak Groups has Paul Tamburro held "membership" in?

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34082281/Tamburro%20Communications.pdf

He was in the Cowasuck Pouliot "Tribe" .... Mazipskwik "Tribe" ... and by his own admission, the Koasek "tribe" led by the now-late Nancy Millette - Doucet ...

Paul René Tamburro is NOW of the Nulhegan Band of the Coosuk Abenaki Nation. 

Yet ANOTHER "Tribe" Jumping-and-Hopping by an self-identified "Wabanaki" ... Shopping around for just the right "tribe" to promote himself, to my thinking!

And Donald Warren Stevens, Jr. was a member of the St. Francis-Sokoki Group led by the late Homer Walter St. Francis, Sr. and his daughter April A. (nee: St. Francis) Rushlow - Merrill, and subsequently "flew-the-coop" in Swanton, Vermont, to become a member and "Chief" of the Nulhegan "Tribe"...

Don Steven's another "Tribe" Jumping-and-Hopping by an self-identified "Wabanaki" ....

The Scholars that they have solicited, and or who had agreed to be review and evaluate petitions for state recognition have either said yes, and then no; or they have never responded to the solicitations from the VCNAA, or they have outright decided to decline, participatory action, because they either do not like TRANSPARENCY, or they claim they have too much distracting them in their other endeavors.

So, the VCNAA and the "tribe" led by Nathan Pero and Paul Bunnell picked John Scott Moody .... and attempted to get Eloise Beil (the latter of whom works for the Lake Champlain Maritime Museum) to "review" the 5th groups application's contents?

How convenient! Considering ... 

Using John Moody's retrospective ca. 1980 work contribution, entitled "Within the Bounds of a Subsistence Oriented Culture" Scott E. Hastings Jr. , 1982 Native Vermonters in the Miller Pond Watershed: Heritage and Change" By Katharine Botsford 1981 Dartmouth College

http://reinventedvermontabenaki.blogspot.com/2010/04/pages-1-8-within-bounds-of-subsistence.html

This ditty of a paper, was shoddy, and unsubstantiated throughout, to my thinking. It was not intended for publication or usage; but that didn't stop these wannabiak, etc from using that paper, for their own agenda's; then or today.

And what is interesting ... is that it is sited in the Application for State Recognition by Nathan Elwin Pero and Paul Joseph Bunnell, as legitimate scholarly work. It was clearly not.

It is a 'conflict-of-interest' and biased dynamic (to my thinking) that either John Scott Moody and or Eloise Beil, to "review" this 5th group's 'application for VT State Recognition' as a generic 'Native American' "tribe" ... and one asks why?

... Because Kathleen Botsford, herself in 1981, stated in her paper's Preface, that she was inspired by Joseph Bruchac and John Moody's Presentation, entitled, "Vermont's Original Communities: Abenaki Indians." It was that and subsequent meetings with John Moody, a personal friend and anthropologist who has been involved with the Abenaki community for many years, which prompted Kathleen Botsford to include the Abenaki piece of the region's culture and history. Most importantly he put up with her emotional distress. She goes on to say, that without his openness, knowledge, dedication, and friendship, over the years, the paper would not have been possible. Additionally, she was indebted to Howard Franklin Knight, Jr., for his extended conversations...

SO, John Moody having reviewed the first Application by this other alleged "Kosaek" group, led by Nathan Pero and Paul Bunnell, THE 5TH GROUP of WANNABIAK was and continues to be biased, and a conflict of interest from the very beginning!

I have followed the genealogies of both Paul J. Bunnell, Nathan Pero, (as well as other members of this group) and found that the ancestors they descend down from, were from anywhere but Vermont, before their descendants migrated INTO and around "Vermont" ...

And while Paul Joseph Bunnell may imply that what was happening "when two miles of ice" were covering this land, or thereafter, applies to 1900 or even now in late 2014, that remark simply smacks of his "entitlement" attitudes and revisionist position in this whole process of "recognition" of fake "Abenakis" ... of which the majority memberships are wannabiak. He has pointed his fingers at the four groups now-recognized, claiming that they are mere Metis, claims he doesn't want to to get into the Vermont Indian crap, and resigns twice! And now he wants to dip his fingers, toes and fat arse into the Vermont Indian-ist Wannabiak Pie himself, which was what he was after, all along.

While it was fine for Rhonda Besaw to share the documents and data etc with me ABOUT and regarding the late Nancy Millette Doucet etc, (her cousin) retrospectively-speaking ... when I then turned the magnifier of my research towards her husband Charlie and her's group calling itself The Abenaki Nation of New Hampshire, and my inquiring about the historical merits of the group etc. (i.e. Alan Martell etc), I was treated like the plague and met with hostile, mocking and condescending emails and the like minded ilk via blogs, much like what Paul Bunnell himself have just emailed to me retrospectively the other evening.

I have very valid concerns and points and am vocal about these concerns and topics of interest; and I have the ability to research and study, etc (hopefully transparently) ANY group that claims to be "Abenaki" or "Koasek" etc within and around Vermont.

Paul Bunnell and Nathan Pero's group, as its public representative(s), are simply like the 4 groups that have VT State "recognition" as generic "Native American Tribes" which self-identify as "Abenaki" "Tribes" (which of course, they never were, and will never be, no matter what the "State" says or implies, to my thinking).

Paul's ancestors (as well as Karen Boudreau-Majka (Mica), Francine Poitras-Jones and Nancy Saucier-Rivera's remote/distant ancestors) moved into and around Vermont and New Hampshire; today they are aware that some of their remote distant ancestry may or is indicated to be of Native descent; and today they feel and conclude that the State of Vermont ought to "recognize" them and theirs ... and their incorporated post 1980 / 2006 created entities - groups - organizations, so that they can obtain grants, etc  etc, and PLAY INDIANS ("Abenakis").

This is the reality. It is about EGO, STATUS, POWER, and CONTROL.

And while they doing this and that, they are mocking the very ancestors (allegedly "Abenaki") that they claim to derive from. 

We see it in their actions, We see it in their words ...

It is disgusting. It is pathetic. It is wrong. 

What has and is continuing to happen in Vermont, etc towards the Abenakis and their ancestors ... by these wannabiak created "tribes" is most definitely a MOCKERY and an INSULT.

They have sold out their ancestors and themselves, to the State.

I am not perpetuating 'persecution' against anyone.

What needs to happen ... is judicial prosecution for 'Abenaki Identity Theft' by these obvious Wannabiak, by the State Attorney General's Office! 

I am merely attempting to add a bit more TRANSPARENCY and TRUTH to the process going on in Vermont and New Hampshire regarding these wannabiak groups and their memberships.

And, of course, the Wannabiak, (like Paul Joseph Bunnell), doesn't want that TRANSPARENCY and TRUTH to be put on this blog, about themselves nor their group.

Paul Joseph Bunnell and their group are not who they claim to be. Certainly not Koasek!

The same as the four other groups ... who were fraudulently "recognized" by the "State" of "Vermont" ...

Sorry, but Paul Bunnell needs to get back on that "Mother-Ship" and go back to whatever wannabiak planet he came from.

Henri Membertou and his alleged daughters, and his alleged descendants, Francine (Poitras) Jones and Nancy (Saucier) Rivera etc and Native American DNA, etc

Francine Jones - unknown - Nancy Rivera – Theresa Olson – Shirley Hook (Koas & VCNAA member)

Koasek Council & Elders Members who made parts of above Regalia in March 2013 Koasek Seminar after Planned defection to Koas Tribe in April 2013 sharing confidential Koasek council information, now above Celebrating Defection in Montpelier with Koas & VCNAA in May 2012

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From: douglaslloydbuchholz@yahoo.com
To: BunnellLoyalist@aol.com
Sent: 6/8/2013 10:44:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: Ok, NOW I have the 'proof' of the pudding as they would say Paul....

Francine Jones IS now 'in' with Bernie Mortz..... she says she couldn't handle the 'politics' and so on.... so she "jumps ship" like the rest of 'em because she wanted State Recognition from becoming  a SUDDEN member of Bernie Mortz group.
Pardon my expression or wordage here, but how absurd can this get?
Just plain disgusting to say the least. There is this woman, young 20's or so, who took pictures of the Abenaki Heritage Festival May 2013, there in Montpelier, VT and who should be standing right next to Bernie Mortz ... but Francine Jones!
Amazing, the gall of it all. I am speechless Paul Bunnell at their manipulations and deceitfulness. No integrity at all, period ... in any of them. 
Nulhegan idiot "littlebear400" on datehookup.com in a thread is claiming to be a Shaman and Nulhegan. He or she is soliciting people to write to their Congressional Rep's to solicit Federal Recognition for all Abenakis in the USA.
Totally rubbish to say the least, and YES, I have been keeping digital copies of all communications on that site as well for future reference, if need be.
Totally amazing the sh** that this "recognition" has turned up to the surface of all eh.
Hope you are doing well Paul [Bunnell] and please, keep your head up and your toes pointed forward. Life is too short. Shove this whole mess in a petri dish for what it is.....
Nathan must be pretty pissed too I would imagine, and rightly so too!
Douglas

Paul Joseph Bunnell

Again, the required headband, the necklace and the Indian Blanket motif.

Nancy "SpiritBird" (nee: Saucier) Riveria

Ex-Member of the Koasek Traditional Band Of The Sovereign Abenaki Nation

Now a member of the "other" State "Recognized" group led by Bernie Mortz

The "Indian-ist look" or pretense of being..... Koasek Abenaki

Howard Franklin Knight, Jr. the "Retired" "Chief"
of MANY "Abenaki" Wannabiak groups in Vermont

Howard Knight Jr, Brian Chenevert, Paul Bunnell and [Raymond F. Lussier?]

Paul Joseph Bunnell

One Wannabiak Group gets together with another Wannabiak Group.

Nathan Elwin Pero and Paul Joseph Bunnell

Notice the headband = a real "Koasek" "Abenaki" and the Indian-ist t-shirt

[Note the Medicine Bag and the wampum necklace]

That's to make sure they 'look' "Abenaki" as headbands, Indian-ist clothing, and of course, Medicine Bags (the BIGGER the better) are the IN THANG to match their appropriated "Abenaki" persona's.

And if you are really REALLY Abenaki....

You go from looking like this:

Stage 1

http://youtu.be/g3HDbnbA36M

Jeanne Antoine (nee: Lalime) Lincoln - Kent

Stage 2

Stage 3

 Stage 4

you look like this....

If you "look the part" of one's created persona, the better to deceive the naive and ignorant "white" tourist(s) at their so-called "Community" Pow-wow's

(then they go home and seek more grants, etc) 

Koasek Traditional Band Of The Sovereign Abenaki Nation

PO Box 147, Post Mills, Vt. 05058 &

7 Cottage St., Milford, NH 03055

Website: http://www.cowasuckabenaki.com/

Tribal Genealogist: Paul J. Bunnell, Chief

Home Address: 7 Cottage St., Milford, NH 03055 Email: Bunnelllloyalist@aol.com

117. Jones, Francine (Poitras) K523 23860

195. Rivera, Nancy (Saucier) K349 06226

Nancy (Saucier) Riveria and Francine (Poitras) Jones

"Nulhegan" Pow-wow 

Now both are members of Bernie Mortz Group

Joseph Firecrow, Nancy (Saucier) Riveria, Melody (Mason) Nunn, Kevin Carney?, Francine (Poitras) Jones, and Neil Chaske

Nancy (Saucier) Riveria, Melody (Mason) Nunn, Francine (Poitras) Jones

Joseph Firecrow, Nancy (Saucier) Riveria, Francine (Poitras) Jones

Joseph Firecrow, Nancy (Saucier) Riveria, Melody (Mason) Nunn, Kevin Carney?, Francine (Poitras) Jones, and Neil Chaske

I think you get the picture(s)

My point in posting these pictures, is because Nancy (Saucier) aka "Spiritbird" and her side-kick friend Francine (Poitras) Jones aka "Dancing Bluewolfspirit" (that's Neil Chaske and Melody (Mason of course Nunn as well) were members of one group, and now of another group. Because they wanted their claim-to-fame, with an already VT State Recognized "Tribe" and they love to get their pictures taken (ego .... imo). 

http://abenakiart.org/abenaki_art_directory/francine_poitras_jones

Her mother "Doris (nee: Bergeron) Poitras was never allowed to speak of her native heritage and ancestry" according to her daughter Francine (nee: Poitras) Jones .... ???

What, did someone put a sock in the mother's mouth? Was she locked up, tasered by a Worcester, MA Police Officer, or slapped if or when she ever dared speak of her "native" ancestry contrary to her FRENCH ancestry?

The horse-pucky "We-Could-Never-Speak-of-Our-Native-Ancestry/Heritage" Song and Dance is getting a bit absurd.

I have never found this to be a trait, with legitimate Native People's. One doesn't just "Band" or "Tribe" hop and shop around, to the whims of fancy ...  

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6Q1YTLuaLqPTE9wcmdNYU1qUjA/view?usp=sharing

So... JUST LIKE JEANNE LINCOLN KENT and so MANY other "Abenakis" like PAUL RENE TAMBURRO, whom I consider yet another Indian-ist Group Hopper Wannabiak...

Francine Poitras Jones claims to be "Abenaki" .... yet she joins one group, and then jumps to another?

January 1, 2013

Francine Dancing Bluewolf Jones

Thank you - I made it in the style of the Odanak in Canada - they are Abenaki. The

tribe I belong to is the Koasek Traditional Band of the Sovereign Abenaki Nation [Paul Bunnell & Nathan Pero's Group]. You can Google the website.

Wliwni (thank you),

Elder Francine Blue Wolf Spirit

Mar 20, 2013

11:47 PM

"Nancy Rivera" wrote:

"I agree with u they will never be able to purify their spirit now.  Did I tell you that Bernie approached me about joining them. I could and would never join them. I can't contaminate myself like that."

Mar 20, 2013

11:52 PM

 Douglas Lloyd Buchholz" wrote:

"Bernie Mortz solicited you to join his group? When was this? Recently?"

Reply from Nancy Saucier - Rivera

"At that meeting [Nov. 2012] I video taped. He was really beside himself when he saw me there."

Mar 20, 2013

11:53 PM

From: Nancy Rivera

To: Douglas Lloyd Buchholz  

Subject: Re: Can you say n-a-n-c-y d-o-u-c-e-t?

It would be like selling out to all my ancestors. 

July 22, 2013 

Francine Poitras Jones 

Kwai Kwai!

The reply option won't let me post our website address. So, do a search for Koasek Traditional Band of the Koas Abenaki Nation and our website should pop up. There is contact information there for you, as well.

Wlakamigen.

Bluewolf

July 22, 2013

Francine Poitras Jones 

Since the time that I produced this video, I've found out that the original tribe I

belonged to was NOT state recognized. They are misrepresenting themselves. Since then, I've become a member of the true state-recognized tribe, which is the Koasek Traditional Band of the Koas Abenaki Nation [Bernie Mortz group formerly led by the late Nancy Millette - Doucet]. I can't post the website address here, but if you do a search, the website will come up. I apologize for any confusion.

And so we get this point of my data:

March 03, 2013 6:20AM

From: karen mica

To: Paul Bunnell, Douglas Lloyd Buchholz, Francine Bluewolfspirit, Nancy Rivera 

Paul, 

Do you remember that article I wrote back in 2009, explaining where the "Koasek" came from ... the one Brian [Chenevert] didn`t want up on the web site because it upset Luke [Willard] and a few others and he was taking a lot of flack over it ?

I wonder if we should revamp that article, and put it up on our website now, so people will know once and for all where "we" are really from and how we have nothing to do with the "modern" made up version of VT history as it has twisted, to fit an agenda? What do you think?

Here`s a small portion, do you remember this..and when they rejected it?

Re: final version, ready to go

July 30, 2009 

3:40 AM

From: "houseofmica@yahoo.com" [Karen (nee: Bourdreau) Majka aka Karen Mica]

To: brialcay@yahoo.com [Brian Chenevert]

Cc: "Paul" [Paul Joseph Bunnell]

Bcc: "Ray" [Raymond F. Lussier]

"The Abenaki of Vermont, who we are and who we are not. 

Much has been written, recorded and stated as fact, concerning the identity and the origin of the peoples of Vermont claiming to be Abenaki, or of Abenaki descent. 

It is not our intent to create strife or hostilities with any Band or Organization claiming to be Abenaki and "of" the State of Vermont.

We do not censure you and we have no desire to argue your claims. 

It will be for someone else to do that eventually.

We are simply interested in bringing certain information into the public domain, what is done with this information is not our concern. 

We have stood quietly by, and endured many public and private attacks from certain individuals belonging to these various "Vermont Abenaki" organizations, as well as one such organization now operating in the State of New Hampshire. 

It is our intention to remain quietly by and unconcerned with the antic`s and the somewhat shoddy showmanship, of these organizations leadership and their transparent need to bestow upon themselves much undue attention and credit. 

We make no claims for any other people, but ourselves. 

We know who we are and where we came from and we have decided that it is time to make certain information available to the public.

We have no problem with anyone wanting to "claim" that they are native Vermont Abenaki...though we intend through this and forthcoming articles, to state firmly and to make perfectly clear ..... that we, are not native Vermont Abenaki! 

Speaking only for ourselves;  we know, and have known, that the names Cowasuck, Coo`s, Koasek and many other versions of this word do not identify a unique "people" but simply denote a place, or places where white pine trees grew and that many different tribal peoples frequented these places. 

They were not the exclusive or specific domain of any one tribe or band. 

They simply testify to certain locations that Native peoples have resided at, and during, various times in history."

So Karen (nee: Boudreau) Majka aka "Karen Mica" in a communication in March of 2009 states VERY CLEARLY "that this 5th group of "Metis", are firmly not Native Vermont Abenakis .....

And yet they are going for Vermont State Recognition as the 5th group entity, with a "Chief" Nathan Elwin Pero, whose only claim-to-fame, of having Native American ancestry, is to a woman Catherine Pillard, of the 1600's, identified in the records and by DNA testing, as a HURON? Not Abenaki.

Hmm ... 

On the website 

http://www.membertouheritagepark.com/view-entries.asp?page=3

there is this entry:

Posted By Francine Poitras Jones | September 8, 2010

I am directly descended from Kjisaqmaw Maupeltuk - Henri Membertou. I have just recently discovered this and was quite excited to find this site.

Thank you!

Francine

She found out in 2010 that she is descendant of Henri Membertou? 

I am quite aware of what the Paul Bunnell/Nathan Pero's ex-member Francine Poitras - Jones has put on the internet, what with her FALSE genealogical connection(s) many times over to Henri Membertou of the Mi'kmaq People's in the early 1600's.

And while she MAY herself have jumped ship from YOUR group, it still does not negate the reality that even though you have submitted 400 pages of genealogical information to the Scholars for review, neither scholar is a genealogist, and the VCNAA in Vermont has no professional genealogist to review the genealogies of a petitioning group seeking Vermont State Recognition.

How does anyone know the legitimacy and accuracy of such genealogical mappings Paul?

Case in point:

Francine Anne (nee: Poitras) Jones has the following ancestry:

Roch Manintoubeouich / Manitouabeouich & Outchibabhanoukoneau

1. Roch Manintoubeouich / Manitouabeouich & Outchibabhanoukoneau HURON

2. Marie Olivier Sylvestre

3. Louis Prévost

4. Marie Prévost

5. Marguerite David

6. François Henri Zacharie Cloutier

7. Zacharie Cloutier

8. Marie Jeanne (nee: Cloutier) Gagne

9. Marie Anne (nee: Gagne) Gagnon

10. Lucie Julie (nee: Gagne) Lariviere

11. Marie Beatrice (nee: Lariviere) Rheault dit Rault dit Raoul dit Reux

12. Eugenie (nee: Rheault) Bergeron

13. Romeo William Bergeron

14. Doris (nee: Bergeron) Poitras

15. Francine Ann (nee: Poitras) Jones

1. Chief Atsena Du Plat 8endat Attign8stan and Annengthon HURON

2. “Catherine” 8enta Plat (Pillard) HURON

3. Marie Catherine (nee: Charron) Tétreault dit Ducharme

4. Marguerite (nee: Tétreault dit Tetreau) Guillet

5. Marie Louise (nee: Guillet) Fontaine

6. Louis Augustin Fontaine

7. Louis Auguste Fontaine

8. Auguste Fontaine

9. Heloise Elvire (nee: Fontaine) Gaudet

10. Henriette (nee: Gaudet) Bedard

11. Marie Mathilda (nee: Bedard) Poitras

12. Francis Euclide Poitras

13. Francine Anne “Dancing Bluewolf” (nee: Poitras) Jones

1. Chief Atsena Du Plat 8endat Attign8stan and Annengthon HURON

2. “Catherine” 8enta Plat (Pillard) HURON

3. Pierre Charron Sr.

4. Pierre Charron Jr.

5. Jeanne Marie (nee: Charron) Meunier

6. Marie (nee: Meunier dit Lapierre) Fontaine

7. Louis Auguste Fontaine

8. Auguste Fontaine

9. Heloise Elvire (nee: Fontaine) Gaudet

10. Henriette (nee: Gaudet) Bedard

11. Marie Mathilda (nee: Bedard) Poitras

12. Francis Euclide Poitras

13. Francine Anne “Dancing Bluewolf” (nee: Poitras) Jones

1. Jeanne Gisis Bahmahmaadjimiwin Nipissirinienne NIPPISING/ALGONQUINE/OTTAWA?

2. Euphrosine Madeleine (nee: Nicolet) Dussault dit Lafleur

3. Jean Francois Dussault dit Lafleur I

4. Jean Francois Dussault dit Lafleur II

5. Jean Francois Dussault dit Lafleur III

6. Charlotte (nee: Dussault) Bergeron

7. Cecile (nee: Bergeron) Cote

8. Cecile (nee: Cote) Bedard

9. Eusebe Bedard

10. Marie Mathilda (nee: Bedard) Poitras

11. Francis Euclide Poitras

12. Francine Ann (nee: Poitras) Jones

Francoise (Mi’kmaq)

1. Francoise Mi’kmaq m. Germain Lavendure Doucet

2. Marguerite Louise Judith (nee: Doucet) Dugas

3. Marie (nee: Dugas) Melanson

4. Elizabeth (nee: Melanson) Bourg

5. Michel Bergeron

6. Marguerite (nee: Bourg) Bergeron

7. David Bergeron

8. Charles Bergeron

8. Raymond Bergeron

10. Raymond Bergeron

11. Calixte Bergeron

12. Emile Bergeron

13. Romero William Bergeron

14. Doris Bergeron

15. Francine Ann (nee: Poitras) Jones

1. Francois Mi’kmaq m. Germain Lavendure Doucet

2. Marguerite Louise Judith (nee: Doucet) Dugas

3. Claude Dugas

4. Joseph Dugas

5. Jean Baptiste Dugas Sr.

6. Jean Baptiste Dugas Jr.

7. Marie Josephe (nee: Dugas) Gauthier

8. Francois Xavier Gauthier dit Landreville

9. Marie Ozine (nee: Gauthierdit Landreville) Poitras

10. Joseph George Ozias Poitras

11. Euclide Poitras

12. Francis Eulicide Poitras

13. Francine Ann (nee: Poitras) Jones

1. Francois Mi’kmaq m. Germain Lavendure Doucet

2. Marguerite Louise Judith (nee: Doucet) Dugas

3. Claude Dugas

4. Marie (nee: Dugas) Melanson

5. Anne Mare (nee: Melanson) Thidbodeau

6. Paul Olivier Thibodeau

7. Joseph Thibodeau

8. Marie Josephte (nee: Thibodeau) Bergeron

9. Raymond Bergeron

10. Calixte Bergeron

11. Emile Bergeron

12. Romeo William Bergeron

13. Doris (nee: Bergeron) Poitras

14. Francine Ann (nee: Poitras) Jones

1. Francoise Mi’kmaq m. Germain Lavendure Doucet

2. Marguerite Louise Judith (nee: Doucet) Dugas

3. Marie (nee: Dugas) Melanson

4. Elisabeth (nee: Melanson) Bourg

5. Michel Bourg

6. Marguerite (nee: Bourg) Bergeron

7. David Bergeron

8. Charles Bergeron

9. Marie Madeline (nee: Bergeron) Bergeron

10. Calixte Bergeron

11. Emile Bergeron

12. Romero William Bergeron

13. Doris (nee: Bergeron) Poitras

14. Francine Ann (nee: Poitras) Jones

1. Francois Mi’kmaq m. Germain Lavendure Doucet

2. Marguerite Louise Judith (nee: Doucet) Dugas

3. Claude Dugas

4. Joseph Dugas

5. Elisabeth Isabelle (nee: Dugas) Leblanc

6. Marie (nee: Leblanc) Gauthier

7. Joseph Antoine Gauthier

8. Francois Xavier Gauthier dit Landreville

9. Marie Ozine (nee: Gauthier dit Landreville) Poitras

10. Joseph George Ozias Poitras

11. Euclide Poitras

12. Francis Eulicide Poitras

13. Francine Ann (nee: Poitras) Jones

Anna (nee: Matchonon Cord Clan) Huron-Wendat

1. Abraham Martin dit L’ecossais & Anna (nee: Matchonon) HURON -WENDAT

2. Anne (nee: Martin Matchonon – Cord Clan - Attigneenongnahac)  & Jean Jehan dit Cote dit Coste

[F: Mathieu da Cote dit Coste M: Mi’kmaq woman]

3. Noel Coste dit da Cote

4. Jacques Cote

5. Marie Louise (nee: Cote) Hout dit St. Laurent

6. Marie Louise (nee: Huot dit Houde) Dubois

7. Elisabeth (nee: Dubois) Rousseau

8. Francois Vilbon Rousseau

9. Ferdinand Rousseau dit Rousseard

10. Emilia Marie (nee: Rousseau) Bergeron

11. Doris (nee: Bergeron) Poitras

12. Francine Ann (nee: Poitras) Jones

1. Abraham Martin dit L’ecossais & Anna (nee: Matchonon) HURON -WENDAT

2. Anne (nee: Martin Matchonon – Cord Clan - Attigneenongnahac)  & Jean Jehan dit Cote dit Coste

[F: Mathieu da Cote dit Coste M: Mi’kmaq woman]

3. Jean Cote dit Coste

4. Ignace Coste dit Cote

5. Marie (nee: Cote) Poliquin

6. Marie Louise (nee: Poliquin) Duquet

7. Marie Louise (nee: Duquet) Rheaume

8. Georges Rheaume

9. Marie Delina (nee: Rheaume) Rousseau dit Rousseard

10. Emilia Marie (nee: Rousseau) Bergeron

11. Doris (nee: Bergeron) Poitras

12. Francine Ann (nee: Poitras) Jones

1. Abraham Martin dit L’ecossais & Anna (nee: Matchonon) HURON -WENDAT

2. Anne (nee: Martin Matchonon – Cord Clan - Attigneenongnahac)  & Jean Jehan dit Cote dit Coste

[F: Mathieu da Cote dit Coste M: Mi’kmaq woman]

3. Noel Coste dit da Cote

4. Jacques Cote Sr.

5. Jacques Cote Jr.

6. Josette (nee: Cote) Croteau

7. Flavie (nee: Croteau) Martineau

8. Flavie (nee: Martineau) Rheaume

9. Marie Delina (nee: Rheaume) Rousseau dit Rousseard

10. Emilia Marie (nee: Rousseau) Bergeron

11. Doris (nee: Bergeron) Poitras

12. Francine Ann (nee: Poitras) Jones

1. Abraham Martin dit L’ecossais & Anna (nee: Matchonon) HURON - WENDAT

2. Anne (nee: Martin Matchonon – Cord Clan - Attigneenongnahac)  & Jean Jehan dit Cote dit Coste

[F: Mathieu da Cote dit Coste M: Mi’kmaq woman]

3. Noel Coste dit da Cote

4. Jacques Cote Sr.

5. Jacques Cote Jr.

6. Jean Charles Cote

7. Jean Bapiste Charles Cote

8. Cecile (nee: Cote) Bedard

9. Eusebe Bedard

10. Marie Mathida (nee: Bedard) Poitras

11. Francis Euclide Poitras

12. Francine “Dancing Bluewolf”(nee: Poitras) Jones

Joachim Ouentouen Arontio & Cecile Arendaeronnon Arenhatsi

1. Joachim Ouentouen Arontio & Cecile Arendaeronnon Arenhatsi HURON

2. Marie Felix Arontio Aneneontha Ouentouen HURON

3. Jean Baptiste Dubuc I

4. Jean Baptiste Dubuc II

5. Jean Baptiste Dubuc III

6. Marie Rosalie Dubuc

7. Charles Poitras

8. Prosper Poitras

9. Joseph George Ozias Poitras

10. Euclide Poitras

11. François Eucilide Poitras

12. Francine “Dancing Bluewolf” (nee: Poitras) Jones

Keskoua (Mi’kmaq)

1. Keskoua (Mi’kmaq) & Basile dit Blanchet

2. Perrine (nee: Basile dit Blanchet) Bellemaire dit Celestin

3. Jeanne (nee: Bellemaire dit Celestin) Brazeau dit Lebrasseur

4. Marguerite (nee: Brazeau dit Lebrasseur) Henry

4. Theotiste (nee: Henry) Gaudette

6. Joseph Gaudet dit Gaudette

7. Flavien Gaudet

8. Henriette (nee: Gaudet) Bedard

9. Marie Mathilda (nee: Bedard) Poitras

10. Francis Euclide Poitrais

11. Francine “Dancing Bluewolf” (nee: Poitras) Jones

1. Keskoua (Mi’kmaq) & Basile dit Blanchet

2. Perrine (nee: Basile dit Blanchet) Bellemaire dit Celestin

3. Jeanne (nee: Bellemaire dit Celestin) Brasseur

4. Pierre Brasseaux

5. Marguerite (nee: Brasseaux) Guildry dit Guidry

6. Jean Auguste Guildry dit Labine

7. Jean Charles Guildry dit Labine

8. Felicite (nee: Guildry dit Labine) Morin

9. Zoe (nee: Morin) Gaudet dit Gaudette

10. Flavien (nee: Gaudet)

11. Henriette (nee: Gaudet) Bedard

12. Marie Mathilda (nee: Bedard) Poitras

13. Francis Euclide Poitrais

14. Francine “Dancing Bluewolf” (nee: Poitras) Jones

And this is not at issue with me (for the most part) other than the DISTANCE between that historical documented native person or couple, and the DESCENDANT, 11-12, and so on generations down.

But what really rubs me wrong, is this: 

Kjisaqmaw Maupeltuk – Henri Membertou

1. Sachem (Mi’kmaq)

2. Kjisaqmaw Maupeltuk – Henri Membertou

3. Amerindienne “Marie Catherine”

4. Edmée "Aimee" (nee: Lejeune) Gaudreau

5. Marie (nee: Gauterot) Theriot

6. Marguerite (nee: Theriault dit Terriot) Landry

7. Madeleine (nee: Landry) Dugas

8. Marie (nee: Dugas) Bergeron

9. Pierre Michel Bergeron

10. David Bergeron

11. Charles Bergeron

12. Raymond Bergeron

13. Raymond Bergeron

14. Calixte Bergeron

15. Emile Bergeron

16. Romero William Bergeron

17. Doris (nee: Bergeron) Poitras

18. Francine “Dancing Bluewolf” (nee: Poitras) Jones

1. Sachem (Mi’kmaq)

2. Kjisaqmaw Maupeltuk – Henri Membertou

3. Marie (nee: Radegonde Kagijonais) Lambert

4. Radegonde Lambert

5. Marie Anne (nee: Blanchard) Gaudet dit L’Aine

6. Claude Gaudet

7. Pierre Lejeune Gaudet

8. Marie Anne Gaudet

9. Madeleine Marie (nee: Poirier) Bergeron

10. Raymond Bergeron

11. Raymond Bergeron

12. Calixte Bergeron

13. Emile Bergeron

14. Romero William Bergeron

15. Doris (nee: Bergeron) Poitras

16. Francine “Dancing Bluewolf” (nee: Poitras) Jones

1. Sachem (Mi’kmaq)

2. Kjisaqmaw Maupeltuk – Henri Membertou

3. Amerindienne “Marie Catherine”

4. Edmée "Aimee" (nee: Lejeune) Gaudreau

5. Marie (nee: Gauterot) Theriot

6. Germain Theriault dit Terriot

7. Claude Theriault dit Terriot

8. Marie Anne (nee: Theriault) Bourg

9. Marie (nee: Bourg) Thibodeau

10. Joseph Tibodeau

11. Marie Josephte (nee: Thibodeau) Bergeron

12. Raymond Bergeron

13. Raymond Bergeron

14. Calixte Bergeron

15. Emile Bergeron

16. Romeo William Bergeron

17. Doris (nee: Bergeron) Poitras

18. Francine “Dancing Bluewolf” (nee: Poitras) Jones

1. Sachem (Mi’kmaq)

2. Kjisaqmaw Maupeltuk – Henri Membertou

3. Marie (nee: Radegonde Kagijonais) Lambert

4. Radegonde Lambert

5. Madeleine (nee: Blanchard) Ricnard dit Sansoucy

6. Marie Ann (nee: Richard) Theriault dit Terriot

7. Claude Theriault dit Terriot

8. Marie Anne (nee: Theriault) Bourg

9. Marie (nee: Bourg) Thibodeau

10. Joseph Thibodeau

11. Marie Josephte (nee: Thibodeau) Bergeron

12. Raymond Bergeron

13. Raymond Bergeron

14. Calixte Bergeron

15. Emile Bergeron

16. Romeo William Bergeron

17. Doris (nee: Bergeron) Poitras

18. Francine “Dancing Bluewolf” (nee: Poitras) Jones

1. Sachem (Mi’kmaq)

2. Kjisaqmaw Maupeltuk – Henri Membertou

3. Amerindienne “Marie Catherine”

4. Edmée "Aimee" (nee: Lejeune) Gaudreau

5. Marie (nee: Gauterot) Theriot

6. Marguerite (nee: Theriault dit Terriot) Landry

7. Madeleine (nee: Landry) Dugas

8. Marie (nee: Dugas) Bergeron

9. Pierre Michel Bergeron

10. David Bergeron

11. Charles Bergeron

12. Marie Madeleine (nee: Bergeron) Bergeron

13. Calixte Bergeron

14. Emile Bergeron

15. Romero William Bergeron

16. Doris (nee: Bergeron) Poitras

17. Francine “Dancing Bluewolf" (nee: Poitras) Jones

1. Sachem (Mi’kmaq)

2. Kjisaqmaw Maupeltuk – Henri Membertou

3. Marie (nee: Radegonde Kagijonais) Lambert

4. Radegonde Lambert

5. Marie Anne (nee: Blanchard) Gaudet dit L’Aine

6. Claude Gaudet

7. Pierre Lejeune Gaudet

8. Marie Anne (nee: Gaudet) Poirier

9. Madeleine Marie (nee: Poirier) Bergeron

10. Marie Madeline (nee: Bergeron) Bergeron

11. Calixte Bergeron

12. Emile Bergeron

13. Romero William Bergeron

14. Doris (nee: Bergeron) Poitras

15. Francine “Dancing Bluewolf” (nee: Poitras) Jones

1. Sachem (Mi’kmaq)

2. Kjisaqmaw Maupeltuk – Henri Membertou

3. Ameridienne “Catherine Marie” (nee. Membertou) Lejeune dit Briard

4. Catherine (nee: Lejeune dit Briard) Savoie

5. Andree (nee: Savoy edit Savoie

6. Anne Pregent dit Prejean dit Lebreton) Pitre dit Nordest

7. Agnes (nee: Pitre) Boudreau dit Boudreaul

8. Francois Boudreau dit Boudreaul

9. Jean Boudreau dit Boudreaul

10. Justine (nee: Boudreau dit Boudreaul) Otis

11. Christine (nee: Otis) Corbin dit Lacroix

12. Eleanore (nee: Corbin dit Lacroix)Turcotte

13. Orelle Ovile (nee: Turcotte) Bergeron

14. Emile Bergeron

15. Romero William Bergeron

16. Doris (nee: Bergeron) Poitras

17. Francine “Dancing Bluewolf” (nee: Poitras) Jones

1. Sachem (Mi’kmaq)

2. Kjisaqmaw Maupeltuk – Henri Membertou

3. Amerindienne “Marie Catherine”

4. Edmée "Aimee" (nee: Lejeune) Gaudreau

5. Marie (nee: Gauterot) Potet dit La Fortune

6. Marie (nee: Potet) Bourg . Bourque

7. Claude Francois Bourg dit Bourque

8. Anne (nee: Bourg dit Bourque) Dugas

9. Jean Baptiste Dugas

10. Marie Josephe (nee: Dugas) Gauthier

11. Francois Xavier Gauthier dit Landreville

12. Marie Ozine (nee: Gauthier dit Landreville) Poitras

13. Joseph George Ozias Poitras

14. Euclide Poitras

15. Francis Eulicide Poitras

16. Francine “Dancing Bluewolf” (nee: Poitras) Jones

1. Sachem (Mi’kmaq)

2. Kjisaqmaw Maupeltuk – Henri Membertou

3. Amerindienne “Marie Catherine” Kagigoniac

4. Edmée "Aimee" (nee: Lejeune) Gauterot

5. Marie (nee: Gouterot) Theriot

6. Jean THeriot dit Terriot

7. Marguerite (nee: Theriot) Babin

8. Françoise (nee: Babin) Thibodeau

9. Madeleine (nee: Thibodeau) Consigny dit Sansfacon

10. Madeleine (nee: Consigny dit Sansfacon) Levasseur

11. Jean Baptiste Levasseur

12. Benoit Benjamin Levasseur

13. Thomas V. Levasseur

13. Ann (nee: Levasseur) Cormier

14. Beatrice G. (nee: Cormier) Saucier

15. Nancy “Spiritbird” (nee: Saucier) Rivera

1. Sachem (Mi’kmaq)

2. Kjisaqmaw Maupeltuk – Henri Membertou

3. Ameridienne “Catherine Marie” (nee. Membertou) Lejeune dit Briard

4. Catherine (nee: Lejeune dit Briard) Savoie

5. Germain Savoy dit Savoie

6. Francois Xavier Savoy dit Savoie

7. Francois Xavier Savoie

8. Simon Savoie

9. Simon Savoie

10. Jean Baptiste Savoie

11. Hilaire Savoie

12. Eveline (nee: Savoie) Poitras

13. Euclide Poitras

14. Francis Euclide Poitras

15. Francine “Dancing Bluewolf” (nee: Poitras) Jones

1. Sachem (Mi’kmaq)

2. Kjisaqmaw Maupeltuk – Henri Membertou

3. Marie (nee: Radegonde Kagijonais) Lambert

4. Radegonde Lambert

5. Madeleine (nee: Blanchard) Richard dit Sansoucy

6. Marie Josephte (nee: Richard) Savoy edit Savoie

7. Francois Xavier Savoie

8. Simon Savoie

9. Simon Savoie

10. Jean Baptiste Savoie

11. Hilaire Savoie

12. Eveline (nee: Savoie) Poitras

13. Euclide Poitras

14. Francis Euclide Poitras

15. Francine“Dancing Bluewolf” (nee: Poitras) Jones

1. Sachem (Mi’kmaq)

2. Kjisaqmaw Maupeltuk – Henri Membertou

3. Marie (nee: Radegonde Kagijonais) Lambert

4. Radegonde Lambert

5. Marie Anne (nee: Blanchard) Gaudet dit L’Aine

6. Augustin Gaudet

7. Michel Gaudet

8. Joseph Gaudette I

9. Joseph Gaudet dit Gaudette II

10. Joseph Gaudet dit Gaudette III

11. Flavien Gaudet

12. Henriette (nee: Gaudet) Bedard

13. Marie Mathilde (nee: Bedard) Poitras

14. Francis Euclide Poitras

15. Francine “Dancing Bluewolf” (nee: Poitras) Jones

1. Sachem (Mi’kmaq)

2. Kjisaqmaw Maupeltuk – Henri Membertou

3. Amerindienne “Marie Catherine”

4. Edmée "Aimee" (nee: Lejeune) Gaudreau

5. Marie (nee: Gauterot) Girouard

6. Germain Girouard

7. Marie Josephte (nee: Girouard) Gaudet

8. Joseph Gaudette

9. Joseph Gaudet dit Gaudette

10. Flavien Gaudet

11. Henriette (nee: Gaudet) Bedard

12. Marie Mathilda (nee: Bedard) Poitras

13. Francis Euclide Poitras

14. Francine “Dancing Bluewolf” (nee: Poitras) Jones

1. Sachem (Mi’kmaq)

2. Kjisaqmaw Maupeltuk – Henri Membertou

3. Amerindienne “Marie Catherine”

4. Catherine (nee: Lejeune dit Briard) Savoie

5. Catherine (nee: Savoie) Levron dit Nantais

5. Elisabeth (nee: Levron) Picot

6. Michel Picot Jr.

7. Marguerite (nee: Picot) Guildry dit Labine

8. Jean Guildry dit Labine

9. Felicitie (nee: Guildry dit Labine) Morin

10. Zoe (nee: Morin) Gaudet dit Gaudette

11. Flavien Gaudet

12. Henriette (nee: Gaudet) Bedard

13. Marie Mathilda (nee: Bedard) Poitras

14. Francis Euclide Poitras

15. Francine “Dancing Bluewolf” (nee: Poitras) Jones

1. Sachem (Mi’kmaq)

2. Kjisaqmaw Maupeltuk – Henri Membertou

3. Marie (nee: Radegonde Kagijonais) Lambert

4. Radegonde Lambert

5. Marie Anne (nee: Blanchard) Gaudet dit L’Aine

6. Jeanne (nee: Gaudet) Arsenault

7. Paul Arsenault

8. Marie Angelique (nee: Arsenault) Doucet dit Laverdier

9. Marie Angelique (nee: Doucet) Guildry dit Labine

10. Felicite (nee: Guildry dit Labine) Morin

11. Zoe (nee: Morin) Gaudet dit Gaudette

12. Flavien Gaudet

13. Henriette (nee: Gaudet) Bedard

14. Marie Mathilda (nee: Bedard) Poitras

15. Francis Euclide Poitras

16. Francine “Dancing Bluewolf” (nee: Poitras) Jones

1. Sachem (Mi’kmaq)

2. Kjisaqmaw Maupeltuk – Henri Membertou

3. Amerindienne “Marie Catherine”

4. Edmée "Aimee" (nee: Lejeune) Gaudreau

5. Claude Gautrot dit Gautreaux

6. Jeanne (nee: Gauterot) Hebert

7. Marie (nee: Hebert) Arsenault

8. Marie Angelique (nee: Arsenault) Doucet dit Laverdier

9. Marie Angelique (nee: Doucet) Guildry dit Labine

10. Felicite (nee: Guildry dit Labine) Morin

11. Zoe (nee: Morin) Gaudet dit Gaudette

12. Flavien Gaudet

13. Henriette (nee: Gaudet) Bedard

14. Marie Mathilda (nee: Bedard) Poitras

15. Francis Euclide Poitras

16. Francine “Dancing Bluewolf” (nee: Poitras) Jones

I did some SERIOUS investigation on her genealogical claims, and I found it EXTREMELY SUSPICIOUS 

MÉTIS /NATIVE AMERICAN ANCESTRY SOURCES :

		MÉTIS /NATIVE AMERICAN ANCESTRY SOURCES : (Now outdated) Catherine Lejeune reasoning:     Where was I able to obtain the names of Catherine LeJeune's parents, wife of François Savoie?
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(A document that I have erroneously described as…) “The 1661 Quebec Register “ refers to two sisters Edmee and Catherine LeJeune “en Acadie”  as  “vici en France ou de mère indienne” – this (if truly a 1661 register) would have illustrated that even in 1661 the origin of the two girls was not certain, but that indian blood was suspected, else it would not have even been mentioned in the register.  The  Acadian   Research Center  in St. John, New Brunswick has in the past provided documentation to various Lejeune descendants expressing the belief that Edmee and Catherine were Métis. The misidentification of this documents stems for the following scanned image, obtained from the Acadian research center in St. John, New Brunswick. Note the label “1661 Quebec Register” in the right margin.

 See: "so-called" 1661_Quebec_register

Stephen White identified this document as a working document of researcher Archange Godbout, rather than a 1661 register of any sort. Because, as White points out, the handwriting does certainly appear to be much more recent in style than would have been the case for a 1661 sample, and because White has indicated to me that his copy obtained from the archives at the University of Moncton does not have the “1661 Quebec register” label,”   I am confident that White is correct. The 1661 label must, therefore, have been erroneously added, at some later point, by an unknown individual (or visitor?), at the  Acadian   Research   Center in  St. John .  My part in propagating this error was in posting the  Acadian   Research   Center  copy that has the 1661 label, and in referring to it by that name, as well as not having noted that the handwriting style is too recent in appearance to be of 1661 vintage.

As part of the previous arguments proposing that the Lejeune sisters might be Amerindian, I also noted that Edmée’s son Charles Gautreau married Francoise Rimbault, the Métis daughter of (mtDNA-proven haplotype A) Amerindian Anne-Marie. 

However….recent mtDNA test results for several of Catherine and Edmée’s descendants have consistently indicated a haplotype of U6a.

www.acadian-home.org list this type as “U6a-European,” but more formal genetics sources and studies consistently refer to U6a as North African in origin, primarily concentrated in, but certainly not limited to  Morocco ,  Turkey ,  Tunisia ,  Algeria , and also beyond North African in  Croatia ,  Czechoslovakia  and the  Ukraine . U6a is also found in statistically significant distribution on the  Iberian Peninsula  (believed introduced there with the spread of Islam), and is not identified anywhere that I have seen as a potential Native American haplotype.  The “North African” origin attached to U6a certainly is not inconsistent with a French ancestor, Although there are other haplogroups more common in France, the spread and intermingling of civilizations throughout the millennia often introduced North African DNA into Europe, particularly into Spain and Portugal, but it would be absurd to believe that France would be isolated from such inter-mingling, and several individuals tested as U6a list France as the ancestors earliest know point of origin. The same remarks above related to the reliability of commercial testing DNA results would also also apply here, but if such results can be trusted (and there seems to be less ambiguity here about U6a vs. Radegonde Lambert’s X/X2/X2b), then Catherine and her sister Edmée could no longer reasonably be believed to be Métis (at least not through her mother), despite all circumstantial evidence to the contrary. Having said that, I would again suggest that you converse, if possible, with a professor or similarly-qualified expert in a university genetics research project, and I believe you will realize that the definitiveness of any such results are somewhat questionable. Even the links on such testing company sites about understanding your results will help you understand that these tests predict the “likelihood” of such haplotypes (with what even they describe as a high “probability” and not a certainty), but are insufficiently extensive to irrefutably prove what we may have believed they might, or to absolutely prove or discount a particular ethic origin.  While the mtDNA U6a results also exclude Catherine’s mother’s mother, that still leaves 7 great grandparents whose DNA was not tested, including three on Catherine’s maternal tree. Hypothetically, any or all three of those could have been full-blooded Amerindian and still be consistent with the mtDNA test.  This is, however, very unlikely given the believed\approximate date of birth for Catherine. It would have been particularly noteworthy by both religious and civil authorities had Catherine been born in  Canada  from U6a European mother and mixed-blood male.

http://www.acadian-home.org/SAW-CloserLookRecords.html

My Response:

Therefore Marie and Catherine are NOT very likely descendants of Henri Membertou as Francine Poitras Jones has implied and perpetuated.

Of course, the VCNAA nor the "scholars" can 'see' this, because they have no professional genealogist who is not had or does have a working relationship or is unbiased in their research methodology etc. 

While Paul Joseph Bunnell has stated that he has sent 400 pages of genealogy in his groups application petition for Federal Recognition, the "Scholars" John Scott Moody, nor Eloise Biel are genealogists and the former has even stated as such, on the record. So what difference does it make if "Koasek" wannabiak "Chief" Paul Bunnell sent in 5,000 pages or any amount of genealogical data to the VCNAA or the Scholars, because the VCNAA nor the "Scholars" have the ability to discern and or detect, let alone review, such genealogical data, for any distortion(s), inaccuracies and or outright appropriation of someone's else's ancestry, that might not belong to that petitioning "Koasek" member's descendant.

What is apparently, is that a 50+ woman by the name of Francine Poitras - Jones of VA has claimed that her mulitple intwined interconnected genealogical ancestry, connects to and goes back to Kjisaqmaw Maupeltuk – Henri Membertou, via his alleged various daughters, when in reality, those very daughters, are highly suspect. It is not even clear and convincing that they were even native! 

Even if they were native Mi'kmaq descendants, how is that 12 generations + the descendants are now "Koasek" "Abenakis" let alone Native Americans? Sure, they are "descendants" of native ancestry, BUT what legitimate cohesive coherent historical community of Abenakis or Vermont Native People's do they (and Francine Poitras - Jones, actually prove to come from?)

She was born in Massachusetts, lives in Virginia, and is was a member of a non-VT State Recognized "tribe" and now jumps to the one that it is "recognized" by the State of Vermont, having used a very a remote genealogical connection to the above mentioned native ancestry, all of whom are NOT derived from Vermont Abenakis, historically or otherwise.

They are attempting to steal the Abenaki Identity, by twisting the Mi'kmaq history and the ancestries up there in "Acadia", to 'fit' their agenda down here in Vermont ... 

Why is Vermont even listening to these groups now, when these groups are filled with these people, like Francine, pontificating and Playing Indian, in front of everyone, especially school children? It really is pathetic and absurd, to conclude these people are legitimate, even if they do have membership in a State-Recognized "tribe" of alleged "Native Americans" who self-identify today as "Abenakis".....

When in reality and fact, they are not Abenakis at all.

http://www.acadian-home.org/origins-mtdna.html#Radegonde%20Lambert

Even Marie (nee: Radegonde Kagijonais) Lambert is in dispute, whether or not the woman was derived of Mi'kmaq ancestry; but even if she was, what difference would it really be? Francine Poitras-Jones ana Dancing Bluewolf Spirit is so far removed from these ancestor, ancestrally and generational-speaking, that to even imply that she, the 12th+ descendant of HURON ANCESTRY, is an Abenaki from and of Vermont historically or contemporaneously, if about as ridiculous as saying today that the Earth is flat!

DNA Study is great, its grand, but it is not going to PROVE that someone is an Abenaki, let alone provide clear and convincing evidence or proof, when the 'target' ancestor and descendant tester is 8 to 12 steps out.

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Of course, in Vermont, the "Abenaki" Circus is in town, where TRUTH and ACCURACY and TRANSAPARENCY are but an illusion, and the "Abenaki" Clowns are attempting to deceive, distort, and lie their way into becoming and turning themselves into thee "Vermont Abenakis."

And in March of 2013, Nancy (Saucier) Rivera stated that to join Bernie Mortz wannabiak "Koasek" "Abenaki" State Recognized group, "would be like selling her ancestors", she did just that, by joining his group,

... after being in another group led by Paul Bunnell and Nathan Pero.

I guess becoming an official State Recognized "Tribal" member of an "Abenaki" group of wannabiak, is very much like going to the mall and trying on varied lipsticks, etc. (or a piece of clothing) ... sort of like an "Abenaki" version of the 3-Bears and Nancy (Saucier) Rivera/Francine (Poitras) Jones ... this "tribe" is too small, this "tribe" is too political, and this "tribe" is too small, and in the end, in just the right "tribe" of wannabiak, they fall fast asleep in the bosom of State Recognition, and are officially "Abenaki" "Koasek's" ...

My question is ... when will the Bear's wake up and eat these wannabiak?! These wannabiak are trespassers, imposers, pretenders, and identity thieves. They know this, the State of Vermont Attorney General knows this, the sleazy politicians know this ...

How many previous Indian-ist groups/incorporated organizations has they been a member of is anybody's guess. I can honestly and documentarily state for the record, that Jeanne Lincoln - Kent, Charles Lawrence Delaney Jr., Michael Delaney and Ina (his wife), Paul Rene Tamburro and MANY MANY other people who claim to "Abenakis" have all hopped, skipped, and jumped around from one incorporated group organization to another over the years since 1980.

I guess its a New England Native dynamic, because I don't see Lakota's, Mi'kmaq's, Penobscots, Passamaquoddies, Maliseet's, or even the Wampanoag's or Mohegan's "jumping around from one group to another group, trading in their membership in one group, for another...." 

Francine (Poitras) Jones, Nancy (Saucier) Rivera, Paul J. Bunnell, etc, etc = Abenakis? 

I think not.

Their genealogical records, and their concocted "oral histories" show that these contemporary descendants, distort their own histories.

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